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Re: obama

Post by Hans » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:40 pm

Obama picked Rep. Rahm Emanuel to be his chief of staff. He is extremely partisan, not prone to bi-partisanship. Is this a bellweather for the future? Is it a politics as usual selection? I think it is in both respects. Why? Because Obama can not change Washington. Why? Because Obama can not change human nature.
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Re: obama

Post by billflu » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:11 pm

Hans wrote:
billflu wrote:I think the final straw for the Republican party for me was their "Drill baby, drill!" chant. It's just such an ignorant thing to say. They want to use the United State's oil instead of looking forward and developing alternatives to oil and increasing efficiency...
You don't have any issue with the Obama chant of...wait for it....Change...

That's it. Just Change...
That's the problem, it's only a two party system. They are just asking you to vote for the lesser of two evils. Should've voted for Ralph Nader :D

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Re: obama

Post by Hans » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:14 pm

Yeah, if only he had any chance at all.
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Post by Crystal » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:17 pm

That's the problem, it's only a two party system. They are just asking you to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Definitely agree with that one.

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Re: obama

Post by Clumsy » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:38 pm

I read this post.
And I'm amazed.

Norway is one of those countrys America bailed out in WW2.
Its not so long ago!
How could norwegians, scandinavians and europeans have such a bad memory?

And I read someone posted over here that he didn't believe that all the hatred against the US is coming from the freedom they have...
Have you listened to the Osama sayings?
Have you listened to the propaganda from the extreem muslims?

I have!They are calling US a sinfull coutry, that has a bad effect on people because of their freedom, their liberality.

The hatred comes from extreme religious hatery!

Not from US doing "bad things"!!
Thats just what the extremists exploit!!
The nurish that, uses that to their advance!
So they dont have do really go to war themselves, they can use kids and women..
They sit on millions, yeah Osama is a millionaire, and pray on the poor ones.
Using the unfairness of wealth in this world as a weapon.

Is that the US's fault?
Come on!!

If your nabour is jealous of your car, is that your fault??

Obama might do good, he might do bad.
But, Im mostly scared..
Cause how the h* does a man with that is so little known, so little documented cv get to be a president...
It there then a reason that hes had the longest campaign ever...??
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Re: obama

Post by Gotcha » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:54 pm

Another thing about Obama, he spent two times the amount that McCain did. I couldn't find the numbers to quote but what I saw on the news today was something like Obama $480million and McCain $250 million. It is pretty hard to match the funds Obama raised. What is funny is that Democrates always claim the Republicans are the ones with all the money. Ha, I laugh in their face! Obama then went against his word and took campaign funds that he previously said he wouldn't take, he actually takes campaign contributions made with preloaded credit cards that can't be traced. Now how safe does that make you feel.

Honestly, in my opinion McCain did not run a good campaign, I personally thought he should have faught dirty and pointed out all Obama flaws with is contacts, and all the stuff I quoted above.

Okay now it is blame time since McCain lost we must blame someone so they pick on Palin, man it makes me mad. Here is one on Binden which makes Palin not look so bad:

http://www.wimp.com/stupidbiden

This guy is worse than she was and yet you never heard about this on any new broadcast.

Oh well all the Obama fans are responsible for what happens, I just hope it turns out well.

And you are right, it is just a choice between the lesser of two evils.

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Re: obama

Post by MinsPrild » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:02 pm

im a norwgian...

But what the hell does Obama experienced enough to be the US leader for the four next years??

Its a shame to see McCain go down under for Obama..

That there would be more war with McCain as president is not true..

Anyone paying attention to how McCain suffered under the Vietnam war??
Dont think he would put hes men any near that kinda conditions...

My Upinion On Who To Be The American President..i know its the law on only 8 years as leader,but either McCain,or 4 new years with Bush!!
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Re: obama

Post by Hans » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:41 am

I don't inderstand the leaks against Palin from the McCain staffers. Why would they do that? It's over. What is to be gained? She didn't seek out the VP selection. McCain came to her for gods sake. She was doing him a favor by jumping on the ticket. Now they are acting like its all her fault. Weird.
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Re: obama

Post by Hans » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:41 am

Hans wrote:I don't inderstand the leaks against Palin from the McCain staffers. Why would they do that? It's over. What is to be gained? She didn't seek out the VP selection. McCain came to her for gods sake. She was doing him a favor by jumping on the ticket. Now they are acting like its all her fault. Weird.

Just saw this. It is hilarious. http://www.wimp.com/palinporno/
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Re: obama

Post by Choppo » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:53 am

Hans wrote:I don't inderstand the leaks against Palin from the McCain staffers. Why would they do that? It's over. What is to be gained? She didn't seek out the VP selection. McCain came to her for gods sake. She was doing him a favor by jumping on the ticket. Now they are acting like its all her fault. Weird.
Hans, they want to destroy conservatism. It's the only defense against liberalism and its what she spoke. McCain moved to the center and tried to be a lib and failed. We don't buy that crap he peddled and never will. Bring back true conservatism and you will see a landslide. Not this phony, unmandated "landslide" that the media wants to sell us. Reagan was a landslide, not Obama.

These are very scary times, the moment we elect Obama, Russia makes a huge statement. Can we say Georgia pipeline? Test #1 invasion of Georgia = Semi Fail by Bush..Test #2 Tiblisi controlled by Russia= Obama fail....We heard all this before the election, Biden said Obama was gonna be tested....I'm scared because I have absolutely no confidence that Obama will defend the free world. What does Europe do when Russia becomes an aggressor and their cries fall on deaf ears? Obama got his first intelligence report today, I bet he shit his pants or said "we deserves this".

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Re: obama

Post by Choppo » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:55 am

Choppo wrote:
Hans wrote:I don't inderstand the leaks against Palin from the McCain staffers. Why would they do that? It's over. What is to be gained? She didn't seek out the VP selection. McCain came to her for gods sake. She was doing him a favor by jumping on the ticket. Now they are acting like its all her fault. Weird.
Hans, they want to destroy conservatism. It's the only defense against liberalism and its what she spoke. McCain moved to the center and tried to be a lib and failed. We don't buy that crap he peddled and never will. Bring back true conservatism and you will see a landslide. Not this phony, unmandated "landslide" that the media wants to sell us. Reagan was a landslide, not Obama.

These are very scary times, the moment we elect Obama, Russia makes a huge statement. Can we say Georgia pipeline? Test #1 invasion of Georgia = Semi Fail by Bush..Test #2 Tiblisi controlled by Russia= Obama fail....We heard all this before the election, Biden said Obama was gonna be tested....I'm scared because I have absolutely no confidence that Obama will defend the free world. What does Europe do when Russia becomes an aggressor and their cries fall on deaf ears? Obama got his first intelligence report today, I bet he shit his pants or said "we deserves this".
*And Hans they released this crap on FOX...if that wasn't calculated then I don't know what is.

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Re: obama

Post by Moose » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:22 am

I know this is still way off-topic but let me just answer the questions Hans made earlier.
Hans wrote:How did the war with Russia "restart" after the truce? Did Russia restart it, or did Finland restart it?
During the Interim Peace, Soviet Union demanded more and more areas from Finland, including important nickel mines. The public opinion back then deemed this unacceptable and people also wanted to reclaim the areas lost in the Winter War. The war started again with German advance from Finland followed by Finnish troops. So yes, Finland made the first move after the truce. Keep in mind though that both sides knew very well that the Interim Peace would only be temporary and if you ask any Russian historian, they won't make any difference between the Winter War and the Continuation War like the Finns do. They see it as part of the same campaign. The Finns differiate them because the latter was fought alongside Germany.

The Soviets did claim the Finns to be the aggressors right from the beginning though, as they staged the incident where their own artillery fired at one of the villages near the border and claimed that the Finns had fired the shots from the other side of the border. This gave Soviet Union the excuse to start the attack against Finland and it was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union that Russia admitted starting the war.
Was your country allied to Germany?
Yes. Though in your first post you made it sound like something that we should be ashamed of? With that same logic USA should be just as ashamed of being allied with Soviet Union when Stalin purged some 20 million civilians inside his own country and a couple of more millions in Europe while Hitler got something like 8 million civilians killed. Of course USA didn't have anything to do with Stalin's Great Purge or other atrocities he committed but likewise Finland had nothing to with the Holocaust or other German war crimes. I just found that comment of yours about burning humans alive and so on to be pretty insulting and maybe now you see why. I am proud of what our forefathers did in the WWII like I'm sure that you are proud of what the Americans achieved there as well.
What do you believe stopped Russia from taking the rest of finland after WWII was over? Do you think they still wanted to do that?
The main reason for Stalin wanting to annex Finland as part of Soviet Union was to form a buffer zone for Leningrad against Germany and to stop ore shipments from northern Norway, Sweden and Finland to Germany. When the Nazi Germany was gone, the Soviets had lost their primary motive for trying to invade us. Of course, if the Soviet Union had been left as the only superpower in the world, who knows what they might have tried to do but they didn't have much reason to attack Finland in particular. USA helped by just being there and maintaining the balance of power but I don't think that equals saving our asses from the Soviets.
Do you believe that the Russian Army of 1945 was significantly different from the Russian Army of 1940?
Of course. The failure to capture Finland made Stalin understand that the Red Army wouldn't stand a chance against Germany in it's current state so he started a complete restructuring and modernization of his forces right after the Winter War was over.
Do you believe that the Russian Army of 1945 or after could have been stopped by the Finnish army alone in 1945 or after?
No, but I don't believe USA or United Kingdom would have stopped them either had they tried. I think that most of the world would have condemned that kind of attack after the WWII but would have done nothing to help either, like during the Winter War. They viewed it as Russia taking back the areas that used to be theirs just a few decades earlier. In the later years, Finlands relations with the Soviet Union became much better and we didn't have a real threat of invation.
My point was that your country was allied to Nazi Germany, which I believe to be a fact.
Like I said, it's also a fact that your country was allied with the Soviet Union at the same time. I don't to see any relevance with that.

In my estimation, you lost the Winter War because you lost a significant amount of land, leaving Russia in control of formerly Finnish territory. That is one traditional manner in which to decide who wins a war. Maybe you think your country won the war because more Russians died than Finns died. In that sense, you could be correct.
No, we most certainly didn't win it. But I don't think Russia won either because they didn't reach their primary goal of annexing Finland to Soviet Union. Of course they were in a better position to declare the terms for the peace so if I had to declare a winner for that conflict, it would be Soviet Union. But like so often with wars, there are no clear winners or losers.
I was responding to many of the posts above yours, as well as yours, and didn't distinguish between them. It would have been better to respond individually so thoughts didn't get synthesised between differing posts. My apologies.
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Re: obama

Post by Humor » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:59 am

Hans wrote:Hahaha...

Let me be clear, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks about Me, Texas, or America. I happen to think that the fact that you think we are doing something wrong, validates my argument that we are doing it right. Any misunderstandings on this point? I don't instruct you on how to live, run or protect your life or country.

If you expect us not to defend ourselves when people are trying to kill us, then I don't think any logical or emotional argument on any issue with you would be fruitful.

Enjoy starting wars? Are you kidding? Have you served in the military like I have? Have you seen dead bodies like I have? Have you seen a 15 year old girls forehead peeled back over the top of what's left of her skull by a round from an AK in my line of work? This statement by you is insulting. How old are you? Do you have a job? Do you do anything except sit behind a computer all day?

Finland has a reputation of collaboration with NAZI's. Wow, sounds good to me. You guys allied with people who burned human beings alive. Men, women, children, babies. Don't even say anything about our reputation. Who are you anyway. The only reason you aren't a part of Russia right now is because of the USA and our willingness to fight the Communists. Are you so gaddamned ignorant not to realize that? How can I reason with or argue with people who can't see that the shy is blue?

You peolpe are rediculous and I am clearly wasting my time trying to explain anything to you.

Have a nice life. Just don't illegally immigrate to the US.
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Re: obama

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This forum needs an ignore user function.

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RingoCalamity wrote:This forum needs an ignore user function.
Select user profile -> "add foe" = you won't see their posts anymore so long as they aren't a moderator

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