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Just Why?

Post by Hans » Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:05 am

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Re: Just Why?

Post by Holyman » Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:11 am

are we really going to start this all over again? :D
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Hans » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:50 am

Hehehehe, why bow like that to anyone? He's our president. He isn't subservient to any Monarch or world leader. So why act like he is?
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Vengeance » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:52 am

Blah blah go republicans blah let's criticize the democrats.
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Re: Just Why?

Post by ent » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:07 am

It's called diplomacy. You should try it sometime. It helps you get what you want without having to shoot people.

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Re: Just Why?

Post by dox » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:56 am

That's not a bow.. oh.. wait..

Look at it this way: America could pretty much kick anyone's ass whenever they like, everyone knows it and anyone would be pretty stupid to think otherwise. Doesn't seem like a sign of weakness to me, just seems culturally aware and respectful and you dropped nukes on them for chrissakes.

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Re: Just Why?

Post by Hans » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:17 pm

It isn't just Repubs criticizing Dems dude. So blah blah yourself. There are plenty of policy issues I could criticize him on, but I haven't. This one issue isn't a Republican or Demoractic issue. So, if you don't have anything further to add of substance, take a hike.
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Smithy » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:31 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Japan

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2000.html

http://gojapan.about.com/cs/etiquettein ... bowing.htm

http://www.chinatownconnection.com/japa ... quette.htm


"Generally speaking, an inferior bows longer, more deeply and more frequently than a superior. A superior addressing an inferior will generally only nod the head slightly, while some superiors may not bow at all and an inferior will bend forward slightly from the waist."

"For foreigners who wish to make an impression in regard to Japanese business associates, it's important to avoid being too casual with the mere nod of the head, or unknowingly awkward by bowing deeply when its not suitable. Having said this, most Japanese understand the potential for confusion in this respect and usually don't expect non Japanese to understand the subtleties involved, and therefore will often extend a handshake when meeting foreigners."

"When bowing to someone of higher social status, a deeper, longer bow indicates respect. Conversely, a small head nod is casual and informal. However, most Japanese do not expect foreigners to know proper bowing rules and so a nod of the head is usually sufficient.

It is also common to bow to express thanks, to apologize, to make a request or to ask someone a favor.

Shaking hands is uncommon among the Japanese, but again, exceptions are made for foreigners."



Anyways thoes are some links and quotes i am arguging in another form about the jackassary of obama and how stupid he is.
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Vengeance » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:19 pm

Smithy wrote:
"When bowing to someone of higher social status, a deeper, longer bow indicates respect.

There ya go.
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Smithy » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:30 pm

yes but when the other bows and on does not bow back its a sign of disrespect... so as much as his intentions of trying to show respect he got wtf pwned.

his biggest mistake is that he should have either shook hands or bowed.. not both
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Hans » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:07 pm

No US president should bow, Republican or Democrat or otherwise. I don't recall any other Pres. bowing, but I could be wrong. And they should have beeen chastised for doing so.

I have grave policy concerns regarding socialist, naive and/or corrupt aspects of this administration, but I am not criticizing him just because he is a Democrat. I believe Republicans should be criticized for many things as well, none the least of which is pork spending.

The over-arching problem with our political situation is that the middle class is being destroyed from above and below. The rich get richer and don't have to play by the same rules as we do. The poor are given all kinds of handouts with no incentives to take personal responsiblity to improve their lot through skill and hard work. Now, both of these statements are generalizations. I absolutely agree that there are many above and below financially that are not reflected by those statements. However, many more in each group are, and it's getting worse.

The government can not be allowed to take responsibility for us from cradle to grave. It will destroy initiative and encourage slovenly decay. If you are healthy, you must work or you will starve. If you are rich, you must be bound by the same laws, and enforcement, that all other men are. No man is above the law.

Speaking of the law, we must be a nation of laws. We must respect and enforce that laws we have. Only US citizens should be allowed to vote in our elections. It isn't racist to make someone show a valid state drivers license or state ID at an election. Anyone who says it is is being unreasonable per se.

Only persons lawfully in this country should be allowed to live and work here. This is an absolute indictment of all politicians on both sides. We cannot exploit them with low wages and no benefit from the taxes levied on them. Also, it encourages bad behavior of all parties and they cannot live openly and honestly because they know they are breaking the law. It also breeds a sub-strata of opportunistic criminals who take advantage of the illegals as well. Finally, it discourages the law abiding potential immigrants as they watch people violate the law while they wait interminably to follow the law. This must stop.

If we need seasonal migrant workers, then we need to have a guest worker program with ID's and they can come over to work and then leave when done. It's honest, above board and fair.

But all of this requires men and women of substance who won't put being a politician first. It requires leaders, made of quality and substance to shun the corrosion of money, prostitutes, free vacations, free dinners, and other corrosives that come along with politics. We have very few people in office now that actually put serving the people above serving themselves and their high level donors.

I have some examples that show you people don't act as they believe. These are predominately of Democrats, but I know Rebulicans do it too and encourage the addition of examples of them as well.

1. Senator Kennedy, wanting health care for all, yet he uses federal funds for his health care, especially the extremely expensive end stage treatment, that he could have easily paid for with his own personal funds, thereby freeing up money to go to others who are less fortunate. He valued money more than his "conviction" to bring health care to all who needed it. He could have paid his own way and shamed other members of congress who are rich for not doing the same. Obviously, not all members are rich, thus not all could do this. He wanted to make the rest of us pay for everyones health care when he could have contributed alot more on his own.

2. Obama wanting open and transparent government, yet ge appoints more "czars" than any other president. He fails to put bills online for review as he promised. He fails to show us his birth certificate. (I'm not saying he isn't a US citizen, I'm just saying why not be open? How can it hurt to show it if you espouse openness?) Promising a new political landscape going forward but pulls in all kinds of Chicago in fighting specialists from his past who play the same games as the politicians of the past.
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Holyman » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 pm

I really dont see the problem with him bowing.

1. Owls belong to the Order Strigiformes.
The Order Strigiformes is further divided into two families, the barn owls (Family Tytonidae) and the typical owls (Family Strigidae). Owls are a diverse group of birds, with over 220 species of owls belonging to the Order Strigiformes.

2. Owls are birds of prey.
Owls feed on a wide variety of prey including mammals, other birds, insects, and reptiles. There are even some species of owls that live in Africa and Asia that feed on birds. Owls cannot chew their prey since, like all birds, they do not have teeth. Instead, they swallow small prey whole and must tear larger prey into smaller pieces before swallowing. They later regurgitate pellets of indigestible material such as bone, fur, and feathers.

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Most owls are active at night. A few species (such as the pygmy owls) are active in the early morning or at dusk while some (such as the burrowing owl and the short-eared owl) are active during the day.

4. Owls' eyes are fixed in their sockets.
Owls are unable to move their eyes within their sockets to a great extent, which means they must turn their entire head to see in a different direction. Because owls have forward-facing eyes, they have well-developed binocular vision.
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Re: Just Why?

Post by Smithy » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:03 pm

i dont really care that he bowed either.. its a sign of respect.. its the fact that he bows to far.. and to long and does not receive a bow back that is annoying to me. As much as i disaprrove of obama i dont think we should be getting disrespected and we should not be apologizing for every thing we do.

and nice post hans really insightfull.. i agree with you in the sense that if we are to have health care for all how come it is not good enough for the leaders of our country.. yet good enough for the people that support them? if all the senators and house reps jump on board to be under the same plan as the rest of us id be happy..
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Re: Just Why?

Post by lashley » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:09 pm

Holyman i LOVED your post! :lol:
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