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Post by dox » Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:37 pm

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/41746/Retail- ... -Steam-ban
MCV wrote:key retailers will drop titles that integrate the popular Steam service as fears mount that the service has a ‘monopoly’ on the download market.

Insiders say Steam, run by US studio Valve, serves a massive 80 per cent of the PC download sector. And retailers preparing their own rival platforms don’t want that share to grow any more.
MCV wrote:“If we have a digital service, then I don’t want to start selling a rival in-store,” said the digital boss at one of the biggest UK games retailers.

..sounds to me like someone woke up from having a long nap and got grumpy that people were doing work while they were asleep..

(also: how big of a "PC section" does your retailer have anyway? lol)

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by Psunfragga » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:31 pm

hehe I read about this on a pub forum I venture into. No store I can walk into on the high street can provide me with enough PC games unless it was WoW or Pet Hospital lol. Not even the game specialist ones! The best thing about Steam is its convenience, something you can never get on a CD unless you have a poor connection. With society moving in its Computing Age, we're steadily working towards Cloud Computing.

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by dox » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:46 pm

I've searched, but I could swear that somewhere in these forums, years ago, I said there'd come a day when we'd laugh at remembering going to the store to pick up a shiny disk.. are we there yet? :)

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by Smithy » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:04 pm

I like steam but i am a fan of holding that box in my hands.. ill have to take a picture of my collection :P
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Re: Ban Steam

Post by dox » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:24 pm

I have several bookcases worth of PC and 360 games -- box = overrated and soon to be recycled

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(this is a pic I snapped for you, it represents a tiny amount of what I've got stacked - heck, that pic is about 1/3rd of just one bookshelf)

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by Smithy » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:01 pm

yeah there worthless but also AWESOME in the same sense.. Its like people who read shit loads of books and have a libary!! I like showing on my orginal Half live box etc.. i like showing my map of Uo and EQ2 world etc.. i am just a nerd.. and btw you have more then me lol my wife made me throw away some of my less worthy ones :(
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Re: Ban Steam

Post by ent » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:39 pm

I'm lolling at how futile their effort will be to blacklist games that are sold on steam :lol:

edit: and it's just two british retailers that are doing it, and then there's two digital distribution companies that have their panties in a bunch

Good article from Kotaku:
According to a report on trade site MCV, two "big-name digital retailers" for the PC market are staring down the barrel of financial ruin, while two major British retailers are reportedly considering a ban on games that include Steam integration.

"Publishers don't give a shit, they don't care what happens to the customer. Which is the crucial point, because Steam do," the director of "a fledgling Steam rival" told the site. A fledgling rival, eh? Direct2Drive, perhaps? GamersGate? Impulse, maybe?

The criticism of Steam - an online multiplayer platform and digital shopfront run by Half-Life developers Valve - doesn't stop there.

"I've fought hard for my customer, and never before have I had to give my customers away. Steam is killing the PC market and it is no wonder digital retailers are failing", the unnamed director continues.

"Steam is locking down the market."

See, here's where these digital competitors have it wrong. Yes, it's hardly an ideal set of circumstances that a single company is effectively taking over the mainstream PC downloadable market. More competition would be good for everyone. But there's a reason Steam is so dominant: it's the only service that's doing things right.

The sooner competing services quit bitching and start putting together comparable platforms where you can shop, play and communicate as easily as you can on Steam, the sooner we'll take their criticisms as something more than just sour grapes.

As for the bricks-and-mortar retailers, there are reportedly fears that selling boxed copies of games that include mandatory Steam integration is only going to encourage customers to not only shop online in the future, but shop with Steam, which is a competitor to these own retailer's digital shopfront ambitions.

As a result of this, "two major retailers" in the UK are threatening publishers that they will cease stocking games that include such a requirement in any form.

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by dox » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:49 pm

It is a bit of comedy given that these retailers removing Steam games from their stores means... more sales for Steam? duurh

That said, as soon as Steam gets close to having a monopoly (the day is nearly upon us) I will naturally oppose it in favour of diversification and competition -- having one company controlling all of the digital downloads is bad for all of us consumers.

Must suck being Direct2Drive if you have to activate COD:BO w/Steam? If so, I'd hate to be selling a product which by default shuttles your customers off to your competitor.

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by redfireant3 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:18 pm

if we or they "retailers" are gonna ban Steam ban the EA download store too.

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by Shaddowmaster » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:57 pm

dox wrote:I've searched, but I could swear that somewhere in these forums, years ago, I said there'd come a day when we'd laugh at remembering going to the store to pick up a shiny disk.. are we there yet? :)
Yes.

I love being able to just sit at home, realise "Oh shit, I've got money to spare, and a game I want to play" and just be a few clicks and a download time that's shorter than the travel time to the retailer away from playing it. I've been telling people a long time that it's surprising how no one have tried to compete with steam yet.

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by ent » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:40 pm

Shaddowmaster wrote:I've been telling people a long time that it's surprising how no one have tried to compete with steam yet.
A few have, it's just that because Valve / Steam are so awesome you haven't heard of them :)

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by Fish #641 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:08 am

In order to compete, you have to do something better than the status quo.
What's easy to do better than steam? Just download speeds and maybe prices won't get a lot of existing Steam customers to switch.
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Re: Ban Steam

Post by dox » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:53 pm

That's a cute way of looking at it.

I see it a bit differently: To compete actually takes very little. To do so with some volume requires marketing. To do so with some competency takes beating the competition on price, speed and/or quality.

The PC game download market is pretty small and so for people that actually want to make something like this it's quite unattractive given that you could be building the same thing but for delivering different media: music, movies, TV, etc. and with standards too.

Whiny PC gamers with a nearly infinite amount of hardware configurations and propensity toward stealing have shot themselves in the foot and are minor players in the media distribution scene. It's all your bloody Facebooking farm crap that's gotten the attention nowadays!

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Re: Ban Steam

Post by keK » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:08 pm

Being a long time gamer before STEAM was even out, we had WONID instead of steam where shit looked like this

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What TF2 was originally suppose to be
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When STEAM came out, 90% of the game community hated it because wonID was going down and gave x-amounts of months for people to switch over to STEAM. STEAM was really buggy and awful then but have came a long ways.

I think it's alot easier though to get your shit stolen if you buy games through steam though. Lose your account, lose your entire collection of games because you don't have the CDKEY for it. (Already had it happen to me once), along with people getting VAC banned from what I hear. get VAC banned from 1 game, get banned from all games.

I think steam is a good and bad idea.

Bad in the sense where everything will be ran through/bought through steam and if you lose that 1 account, you're fucked-and also the sense of having to rely on one source to play your games. If steam went completely down, then what? Probably sift around through your steam account folder, find the executeables to play, but congrats, you wouldn't beable to find any servers. It's like playing JENGA and having only 1 tile on the bottom, take out that tile, everything comes down with it.

But in the positive sense, it's brought easier accessibility to games instead of going outside as well as the interface / community chat that STEAM provides.

RETAIL SIDE OF THINGS:

Places like Gamestop have shit for games. BestBuy always has /everything/ and even puts them in protective plastic cases if it's a hot item like WoW time cards or some new release game like blackops so people can't steal them. I guess it could be bad for business if no one is buying from retailers(retailers get fucked) but also cuts the expenses down on publishers/developers for having to print so many copies and the shipping cost etc.
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Re: Ban Steam

Post by ent » Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:19 pm

What really confuses me is that Blizzard has those authenticator things for bnet, yet Steam doesn't despite people probably having a lot more money invested in its accounts

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