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Thanks for the memories...

Post by dox » Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:35 am

You might have already seen it, if not, enjoy:

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
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Post by RingoCalamity » Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:54 am

lol, nice. Unfortunately, the only people that see this sort of stuff are the same ones that already knew about and agreed with it...

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Post by g0ose » Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:58 am

meh...makes some good points, makes some stupid ones

hindsight is always 20/20

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Post by Crymson » Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:27 am

i would agree with goose, although it's easy to criticize, ppl don't realizet the percieved threat of communism -- and the percieved threat of an islamic state. We can't pick tomorrows battles.

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Post by Junabit » Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:40 am

WOW :shock: :o
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Post by RingoCalamity » Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:46 am

Maybe. I'm sure they could do one with Osama Bin Laden that wouldn't be very different.

No one argues that the US just thought it had to protect itself from socialism, and maybe it did, but the complete disregard for human rights it showed in doing so is really disgusting. Saddam, Osama, Pinochet...and the hits just keep on coming.

America's record for overthrowing democratically elected governments and installing monsters in their stead is something that I find kinda disgusting. Coming soon, in Iraq.

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Post by dox » Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:02 am

I'd never seen that photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein - that's totally T-shirt worthy :)

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Post by mini » Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:10 pm

mabee us had an inkling to secure a long term goal of occupation of iraq.
they have just beeen playing that out. slowly manipulating the stream to make the oil flow in america.
cia trained bin and saddam, you just dont walk away from them.
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Post by RingoCalamity » Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:40 pm

I doubt the US has any interest in occupying Iraq - it's not going to get any less bloody, and this one's killing this administration. Their goal, right from when they started overthrowing governments over there, was a democratic, western style friendly government. They're created so much ill will over there, though, that I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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Post by White Knight » Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:20 pm

well that was boring :)
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Post by dox » Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:53 pm

Well, it wasn't side-splitting humour, but I hadn't seen those details laid out in such a fashoin before (and of course I haven't verified each of those 'facts' independantly), but it did send shivers down my spine..

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Post by g0ose » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:28 pm

the most damaging info for the US is the chemical and bio weapons. if it is true, that's pretty bad considering nixon outlawed them in the US in '69.

they really play iraq as a victim in the kuwaiti war, how their requests fell on "deaf ears" and such. how they were given the green light by the US to invade. I haven't found any record of this. They also played the US/Iraq war as being waged totally on the basis that Saddam was linked to Al-Quida which isn't true. They ruin their points with this stuff.

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Post by RingoCalamity » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:38 pm

As far as the greenlight thing, I don't know, but does it make the US look any better that the case for war was based on a false assumption (WMD) and unsubstantiated links to Al Quaida?

And it wasn't a human rights thing. If it was, the US would have gone to Rwanda, or any number of other places. And it wasn't because Iraq presented a threat to the US beyond funding terrorsim or WMDs - they have crowds of people in the streets of Iran shouting "Death to america" and calling the US the "great satan", but I don't see any american plans to invade Iran anytime soon.

I won't even get started on the (much larger) threat that North Korea poses, where the US seems reluctant to use force.

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Post by g0ose » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:43 pm

yes it looks similar but stating incorrect info isn't exactly something to practice when you are trying to get a point across. as far as north korea, i imagine we would like to do something about it, but we can't do everything at once. we are spread very thin as it is. maybe somebody else should make a stand.

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Post by RingoCalamity » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:48 pm

Well, I don't think they're 'wrong' on anything that I can point to - we just don't know on the greenlight thing, and the al-quaida link was only one reason for the war.

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